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Portugy
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posted 04-27-2001 06:57 PM
What the hell is a
Purple Potamus?!?
Uh oh, now I've done it...page 9...
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posted 04-27-2001 07:31 PM
Purple Potamus? Well,
it isn't quite a purple potato, and it isn't quite a
purple hippopatomus, but man... He he he he he!
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04-27-2001).]
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posted 04-27-2001 10:10 PM
Purple Potamus is a
video store that they have in some states. And there
"Mascot" is a purple Hippo. No idea they had anime
there.
I dont really rent anime much, Hollywood video has a
decent selection, I saw some EVA there, but Blockbusters
is bad, who knows what they have I stopped going there
since they starting hiring retarded people (seriously).
To keep this even more so anime related, everyone go
watch Infinite Ryvuis. Its a very cool series kinda like
Cowboy Bebop but not as mature and more space related.
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posted 04-28-2001 12:03 PM
Don't you guys have
any specialy anime shops? I rent all my anime at this
place called Tokyo 7. They have everything from fansubs,
dvds and various japanese apparel. You can order stuff
from them too. Here's there website--> http://www.tokyo7.com./
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Portugy
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posted 04-28-2001 12:12 PM
Nope.
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posted 04-28-2001 12:33 PM
Yeah there was a
video store like that around here, but once the store
got big they had to stop renting fansubs.
In my opinion renting fansubs is pretty stupid when
you can get tapes for around $5 each from on-line
distro's.
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posted 04-28-2001 06:49 PM
I do! It's called
Pandora's Cube (located in Springfield, Virginia), and
it has lots of anime merchandise, including walls of
fansubs (lots of fansubbed DB/Z/GT episodes)and imported
video games. Once a month, they appear at a local comic
book convention in Tyson's Corner, VA, where they sell
fansubs for $6.00 each.
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posted 04-28-2001 07:36 PM
woah! are you in VA
also Insane Ben? Pandora's cube sounds cool, I used to
rent from Anime FX but stopped going there after some
time.
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posted 04-29-2001 07:42 AM
I certainly am.
Sadly, AnimeFX went out of business over a year ago
(they were bought out by Another Universe, who also went
out of business at the beginning of this year). At this
point, it looks like the only place you can rent
fansubbed anime in Northern Virginia is Pandora's Cube.
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posted 04-29-2001 05:05 PM
Mother Mary, 9 pages!
I was going anime stuff shopping, when what did I
stumble on? No, it wasn't DoD on DVD, it was 0079 ACTION
FIGURES! Well, I bought Char's Zaku, The Gundam,
and....A GUNCANNON!!!!! Guncannon happens to be my
favorite MS from 0079 so I was clapping my hands and
screming in joy like a bad knock-off anime high school
girl. Not reall, but I was really freakin excited. Now,
for a brief review of the figs caompared to the Wing
figs:
Good Gravy, these things have detailed paint jobs.
All the little serial numbers, warning signs, insignas,
and wahtnot are on there crystal clear. They don't
fall apart as easily as the Wing models. This saves a
lot of frustration. Easily posable. Keen equipment
(beam javalin).
Final verdict: Gundam fan; keep in box and pose model
kits instead. UC fan; buy ones to play with and ones to
preserve.
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lesson. -Legato Bluesummers, Trigun
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posted 05-01-2001 02:08 PM
Hey, can anyone give
me the full scoop on Fist of the North Star? I'm too
much of a wuss to watch it but I really like the tsubo
idea and the whole idea behind it. I really don't care
if I hear spoilers as I'm not going to buy this series
anyway.
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lesson. -Legato Bluesummers, Trigun
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posted 05-01-2001 04:27 PM
Hi
I hate blockbuster!!! heres the story....
One day I was excited because I learned that they had
the AKIRA movie to rent but when I got there both of the
tapes were broken and i was pissed. So I made the guy at
the regestar phone other b-busters in the area. All of
them had no akira movie! and their ANIME section sucks,
The only have Sailor Moon, 2 VERY old DBZ tapes (like
the first episodes), and TEKKEN the movie (which sucks
in my opinion).
Bye
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posted 05-01-2001 04:49 PM
You didn't like the
Tekken anime? I thought it was pretty cool....
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posted 05-01-2001 05:41 PM
Hi
The Story was terrible! Dinosaurs OHHH AHHH !!!!!!!
amazing ... THe movie had nothing to do with the video
game, The only good part was that there was fighting and
blood
Bye
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posted 05-01-2001 05:44 PM
*SIDE NOTE* I don't
know what posessed me for a moment... Someone had asked
about Fist of the North Star SOMEWHERE in this thread,
and, well... I'm tired, I'm hot, I have a Japanese test
tomorrow I am VERY unprepared for, and I need more
sleep. Did I mention It's hot here? Sorry- I was
irritable and missed the boat, I know... Just poretend
this was never here. (Oh, who am I kidding- I've been
waiting for an excuse to say all this- it might as well
be now...)
*SIDE NOTE 2* He he... I'm sidenoting my own
sidenote! Hurray! Well, anyway, I was mistaken about
being mistaken- someone DID just ask about Fist of the
North Star, and aparently, they read my earler post on
it too... Wow... So, never mind the above Side Note- It
was all true, in spite of itself. I need to study my
Japanese. Bad. (I thought I wasn't going to see Sachiko
this week... Oh BOY I'm in trouble...) And it's hot
here. Very, very Hot.
**Random Update** I doubt anyone will even notice
this... I'll miss you, Egichi Sachiko-sensei. Sayounara,
Watashi no sensei desu.
I'm warning you... YOU ASKED FOR IT...
Hokuto no Ken, usually called 'Fist of the North
Star', was a manga created by Hara Tetsuo in 1984. He
did his best to get his work published in Boys Jump
Magazine, and was finally allowed a short story about a
young boy who was a master martial artist and fought
against the Yakuza, and gave the story the title 'Don
Quixote 2'. (I'm a little unclear as to if this is 100%
acurate, but this is the best information I can find as
of now...) Shounen Jump Comics felt he was an excellent
artist, with an eye for the classic Fungfu movie style,
but they felt hsi stories were a little *too* typical of
the genre, and paired him up with a 'Story Artist', a
man who was there to stretch the stories out and give
them life. This man called himself Buronson, and
recently worked on the manga 'Strain'.
The stage was set for Hokuto no Ken after the two sat
down to watch "Mad Max 2; The Road Warrior". Kasumi
Kenshirou (Called only Kenshirou, or just 'Ken' in the
story) became an adult, with rather rugged good looks,
seven scars on his chest in the shape of his Martial
Arts school, the Big Dipper (Hokuto), and a kungfu style
so deadly that a single touch could turn a man into a
bloody mess. The story was called "Hokuto no Ken",
literally meaning 'Ken of the Hokuto', though the word
'Ken' can also mean 'Fist', or fighting technique... So,
it was also 'The North Dipper's Fist'.
The first chapter of manga premiered in 1984, and
would run for over 5 years and 152 epoisodes of weekly
anime, as well as a theatrical movie, 2 international
Live Action films, and (years later) a successful line
of Action Figures, as well as the occasional Video Game.
There have been a few anniversary books, and while only
the first 5 or so books were printed in english, Bunkou
printings of Hokuto no Ken in Japanese are still
relitavely easy to find, and quite inexpensive compared
to the American counterpart.
The first major story arc introduced us to the year
199X (In other words, some time undefined in the
1990's). It explained that the world had been destroyed
by Nuclear war, and that humans still live only as
packs, with the strong ruling the weak. The first 10
pages or so of manga illustrates the point well, showing
a bunch of thugs savagely killing a small band of
nomads, eating their food and squandering their precious
water. When their leader, named 'Z', is given a suitcase
of money, he shoves it away and jokes about how it's not
fit to wipe his behind with. (Forgive me, that's what
he's saying... Translations vary, but it's there.) In a
world of violence where the strong are villans, we need
a hero... We are shown a wanderer, who seems to have
raided both Mel Gibson and Bruce Lee's closets,
imprisoned for being in the wrong place at the wrong
time. He's put in a cell where the urchin thief Bat
mocks him, and a young mute girl named Lynne is set to
guard them both. Bat attempts to grab Lynne's key while
she gives the wanderer some water,and Ken merely touches
Bat once, and sends him screaming to the floor. About
the same time, one of Z's soldiers runs back to his
master, and shows that many of his comrades were killed,
with mysterious wounds that appear to have been made
from the INSIDE. When a live man is found, he only
managed to say 'Hokuto' before his head explodes. Bat
schemes with the stranger, trying to talk him into being
the muscle behind his brain power. Lynne returns with
food, and the wanderer tries to make conversation with
her, revealing his name to be 'Ken'. Bat tells Ken that
he's out of luck- the girl is mute. He then tells Ken
how she watched as her parents were killed after the war
by raiders, and she hasn't spoken sence. Lynne begins to
silently cry, and Bat apologized profusely. Ken takes
pity on the child and presses her 'Tsubo'- There is no
english equivalent, so think "Pressure Point", and tells
her that she is able to speak again. Before Bat can rag
him for trying to bring false hope, the Village Elder
(Saichouro) wants to see him. Ken states he has no
desitnation, and the elder orders the villagers to strip
him of clothing to see if he bears the tattoo of Z. (A
small 'Z', usually on the forehead. Z himself has
'Z666'.) What they find are seven scars on his torso in
the shape of the Bid Dipper, a sign of bad luck. Before
the ELder can decide what to do about this turn of
events, the village is attacked by Z's army. The men go
to battle- Lynne as well- but before she's brought with
them, club in hand, she throws the keys to Ken. Bat
jokes about Ken and his new 'Chibi Girlfriend', but
could care less, and states that she'll be dead anyway.
Ken seems upset by this, and Bat explains that killing
woman and children are nothing but things to kill to
these bandits. Bat struggles with the key, but Ken has a
better idea- he grabs the bars, and with his bare hands,
rips them open like it's nobody's business. (The look on
Bat's face in this scene is priceless...) Ken rushes to
the battlefield, only to see he's too late- the
villagers lie in a bloody heap, Lynne in the hand of the
monsterous Z. Z commands all to give him his due
respect- to bring him Food. The villagers that remain
think it's a ridiculous idea- that they're doomed
anyway, they may as well fight. Ken, on the other hand,
steps past the bodies without a word, and walks up to Z
as if he's nothing. Lynne cries out Ken's name, proving
Ken's ability, as a healer at least, to be true. Bat now
questions who, or what, this man exactly is. When
insulted by Z' thugs, he merely snaps his knuckles, and
mumbles 'You're in my way'. He's rushed- Ken merely
kicks each in turn in the face, and leaps over them.
They rush him again, but all explode from the inside-
just from one touch. The Saichouro recognizes this
style... Hokuto Shinken, the North Dipper Holy
Fist. Z realizes Ken was the one that killed his men,
but it's far too late... Kenshirou uses his first of an
endless list of Secret Techniques, "Hokuto Hyaku-retsu
Ken", the North Dipper Hundred Crack Fist. (For those of
you who have never seen it, Ken strikes his opponents
body so quickly that it appears he had several hands
instead of 2, and his arls become mere blurs. The taps
are light, but they manage to easily knock Z off his
feet.) Ken catches Lynne from the fallen giant, and Z
promises Ken's defeat. Ken never bothers to look at him
when he mutters the story's most memorable line; "You
are already dead." Sure enough, Z's body tears itself
apart within seconds. Saichouro realizes that this
truly is Hokuto Shinken, the Chinese art of driving
one's own spirit into his opponent through set spots
(Tsubo), and shocking their body from within until
certain death. Ken feels his work is done and leaves,
asking for nothing in return. Lynne tries to convince
him to stay, but teh elder explains to the girl that he
leaves for their own good. Bat, on the other hand,
thinks that Ken is about the best meal ticket he's ever
seen, and begins to chase after him into the wasteland
that was once Japan.
This is only the first chapter... THE FIRST CHAPTER,
OF 27 TANKOU BOOKS.
The story continues long after this, focusing on Ken
and his sidekick Bat, (And a little later, Lynne) with
his many battles and trials to win back the woman he
loves and to defend the honor and avenge the lives of
the people he cares about. Half way or so through the
series (Tankou 16), the story leaps 10 years in the
future, where our children sidekicks have grown up, and
are defending a world without Ken that has crumbled back
into the degenerate society it was when they were
younger. Characters do grow and change, and rarely are
the villians just mere demons to kill and discard- not
only are they quit einteresting, many of them are not
truly evil, or at least seek compassion and try to
repent. If nothing else we're always given a reason for
a villian's madness, something many manga-ka would take
lessons in.
Hokuto no Ken is generally looked down upon by the US
anime community, for a few reasons. First off, the
series isn't brand new, nor is it quite timeless. It's
from the 80's, and many things- including hairstyles,
fassion, and the like. But it was inspired by how the
1980's thought the post apocolyapse would be- for
example, the villian chapter 2 and 3 looks VERY simmilar
to the one of the villians from "Mad Max 2", right down
to his haircut and weapons. Spade (The characters name,
a giant with a mohawk who has his eye gouged out by Ken
for a warm-up) was arguably a rip-off, but Hara Tetsuo
always did this with love- In book 17 we're introduced
to a fighting club, where the owners look A LOT like Mr.
T and Holk Hogan, two notable American personalites of
the time. I never actually thought that everyone would
wear big shoulderpads after World War 3- but it seems to
be the standard look. Was since Mel Gibson started it,
and would still be, if anyone actually made Post WWIII
stories. Ken's looks are also debated by many- some
people say he looks like Mel Gibson, some say he looks
like Sly Stallone, and many people think he looks like
Bruce Lee. Honestly, I can promise you that all 3 were
inspiration for this character, but Ken is merely
himself. He's certainly not the typical heavy Metal
Action Hero, though he certainly fits the basic
description. The animation isn't considered top-notch by
today's standards, but it's no better or worse than
anything filmed as an anime in the 80's- Dragonball
included. A lot of people have a problem with Hara
Tetsuo's art, but I've always enjoyed it... It's the
firthest thing from most classic artists, and resembles
American Comics, like Todd McFarlane and James O' Barr
far more than it does Japanese manga'ka. Most of the
characters are extremely masculine, while most manga
tends to have rather feminine lookign men. Even Hara's
men are a lot thicker and stronger lookinbg than any
manga I've ever seen, though the artist is not incapable
of feminine or 'cute' looking characers- just don't
expect anything in a 'classic' manga style. (Show
someone who's never seen a manga the 'average' male
manga character, and see how many think he looks
homosexual... That's been my experience, anyway.)
The story is a long and tragic one, revolving around
Ken's quest to save the people he loves, with a lot more
intelligence than people ever give it credit for. Yes,
it is basically a Kungfu movie, and most people either
like that or they don't- You have a mild mannered but
talented fighter, who is pushed to violence by a
villian, usually as revenge. This is the way these
stories work- ALWAYS work- but it's as simple a plot
device as any I can think of. As far as plot density
goes, Dragonball is about it's equal. Certainly, Hokuto
no Ken takes a little less time for comedy and drama,
but fights that only last a few chapter instead of books
at a time let us know the characters faster without such
long interludes of calm. The big difference is where
Hokuto no Ken lacks on subtlety, it makes up for in it's
morals and beliefs. Yes, there ARE morals to these
stories- but they're not little things you can turn into
poems, like a French Fairytale. The greatest example I
can think of comes from chapter 3, after Ken has killed
Spade and his gang as retribution to what they did to
Mizumi, a farmer Ken tried to save, as well as the rest
of Mizumi's village. Mizumi died trying to protect a bag
of seed rice, and he was killed merely trying to
conserve the well being of his people, even refusing to
eat the rice himself while starving. The final page of
this scene is Ken sprinkling the seeds on he earth. Bat
huffs, complaining that Ken's wating it- nothing will
grow on *that* ground. We are then shown that Ken is
sprinkling the seeds on Mizumi's grave, and he replies
that they WILL growm, and that the man who gave his life
for them wll see to it. As you can see, the morals
aren't simple- moreso they're ideals that our selfless,
though flawed, hero tries to live up to. Ken could not
save Mizumi, but he can punish those who wronged him,
and still help him and his cause- even if he will never
live to see it.
Another point most people bring up is the gore- and
rightly so, I'll say. The gore is perhaps unequaled for
any comic, manga or otherwise. Hokuto Shinken is quite a
gory style, with hands rupturing, heads exploding, and
time-released styles that not only make a person's body
tear itself in half, but lets them think about it for
several seconds beforehand. The opposing style, Nanto
Seiken (South Sipper Star Fist) has 108 total schools,
leaving an endless ammount of gory possibilities,
usually in a cutting or jabbing way. Kenshirou's friend,
Rei, is master of Nanto Suicho Ken (South Dipper
Waterfowl Fist), and it cuts the opponent with straight
lines of energy- as if they were clay cut with a
scalpel- and leaves the opponent a truly bloody mess.
The manga was extremely violent for a SHounen Jump
title, but keep in mind that Go Nagai had been
publishing violence of the same style in Devilman and
Violence Jack ten years before Hara Tetsuo was ever
published. The anime movie is perhaps the goriest
incarnations, using special animation effects that for
the TV show were meant to mask and hid the violence.
Now, those effects taught Ashida Toyou (The original
director) how to be even more cruel and disgusting. The
film was passed as an all ages- with only brief nudity
and very little swearing- but irate PTA members finally
talked Ashida Toyou in to cencoring the film on Video
and Laser Disc, by putting a purplish motion blur over
the more violent sequences to leave it more to teh
imagination. (As of now, an Uncensored version of this
movie has NEVER been released on Video- nor has there
been an official DVD, save for the English Dubbed
Writers Cut version, which is also blurred.)
The movie itself is quite a controversey for fans of
the series, particularly purists who watch the English
dub. The story of the first 9 tankou books was
compressed into one (almost) two hour film, with the
screenplay by none other than Hara Tetsuo and Buronson.
The movie re-wrote teh story considerably, and movied
far too quickly to bee too pensive or whimsical- instead
it was turned into an epic Martial Arts film, boasting a
far larger budget than TV would allow, as well as no
official censors- meaning that the anime would truly be
uncut. During production, Ashida Toyou (The lead
director) didn't like the new ending that Buronson
created, in which the Villian wins the final battle, but
succedes to Kenshirou- this eventually happened in the
manga, but not until their second battle, while the film
ended at the first. Ashida Toyou filmed the 'Bad Guy
Ends' version first, but at the last minute refilmed and
redubbed the film, so that it matched the manga (With
neither Ken nor his advisary winning, and leaving the
story far more 'open'). When the movie was dubbed in
English, the 'Planned' ending was used, with the bad guy
being viuctorious, while all French, Italian, and
Japanese versions use the 'Draw' ending. I admit that
the Villian Wins ending does make the story seem 'Over',
and yes, teh final animation for the 'Manga Version'
ending IS very rushed, and one shot is obviously a cell
of Ken super imposed (None too well) over the footage of
the villian on his horse, but for the story itself, the
'Draw' ending works better.
Another thing not helping teh series any to the
English speaking world is the dub itself. Many plot
elements were changed around, all in an attempt to make
it feel less 'Easter'. (The series takes place in Japan,
but many of the beliefs are actually Chinese in origin.)
Also, the dialouge was made to be rather silly at times,
more the way American action films tend to be (With lots
of silly one liners, etc.). Ironically, many people who
have not seen the Japanese version of the film but think
they're experts anyway usually quote the character Rei
as having teh most inappropriuate dialouge... Let me
just say that while I would have re-done the wording
quite a bit for some scenes, Rei was teh one character
who actually came through with the same character, and
an above average US voice talent. (Yes, he really DID
mock the thug after cutting his arms off- but when he's
using Nanto Suichoken in slow motion, he should be
talking the whole time through- a Better choice than
'No, I believe you're the one about to die. *Silence* In
fact... there's no doubt about it!' would be "Oh, my
name? My name is Rei... Master of the South Star
Waterfowl technique!") And as for the Movie having 'No
Plot', well... Tell me... If there were to be a
Dragonball Z movie that covered EVERY chapter from the
first appearance of Radits to the death of Freezer,
would the plot make any sense? Would it look like there
even *WAS* a plot if you did 107 episodes in under 2
hours? No? OK then!
So, above all, what exactly IS Hokuto no Ken? Well,
'Post Apocalypse Action' is a somewhat fighting, but
this tends to make people think of titles like 'Mad Max'
and 'Bronx Warrior 1990', and Saying it's a post
apocalypse Martial Arts movie just makes you sound
weird... But, someone once called it 'A post apocalypse
adventure/martial arts story with excessive use of
splatter scenes', and that's about as close as it gets.
To further confusion with fans, the first season was
completely re-written from the manga. The fight with
King, teh first big battle in the story, was pushed from
episode 5 to episode 22, and the nhext 2 short sagas
(The "GOLAN" Saga and the Devil Rebirth saga) were put
between episode 5 and 22... And, just to make matters
worse, there's filler. A LOT of filler... 8 straight
episodes of almost nothign BUT filler, and it's crap
filler the likes of which have not been seen since the
Garlic Jr. saga. Yes, it WAS that bad. However, after
the climactic battle between King and Ken, and the start
of the second season (From Rei's first appearance
onward), the anime, while it still has it's filler and
censorship like every other manga based anime, became a
LOT better. MUCH better. The anime officially ended
episode 108, with Ken finally having defeated his
greatest advisary and winning back the woman he loves
(Sort of... On both accounts...), and leaving to the
sunset, finally to be happy. The series ran for another
44 episodes, called 'Hokuto no Ken 2'. The series jumps
ahead several years and now has both Bat and Lynne as
adults (With new seiyuu's), and new character designs
for everyone. The first episode of Hokuto no Ken was
re-written quite a bit, but by episode 2 most everything
is cleared up. (I have not actually seen any of Hokuto
no Ken 2, and so I won't say anything about the
animation itself... ) It sported 2 new sets of theme
songs, and ended with Ken's battle with Kaiou, the fan
favorite villian's brother. (Looks just like him, too!
Except he's pretty scarred up... But Kenji Utsumi
returned to voice Kaiou, just as he did Raou ^.^) The
manga continued for another 3 and a half books or so,
and had a very plot and character oriented finale. (The
finale was actually 2 parts- the 'Baran Saga', an almost
King Lear-ish story with Raou's son in tow, and then the
final story ark...) These, as far as I know, have never
been animated. (I've heared rumor of a Hokuto no Ken TV
movie, but it's far more elusive than even the
Dragonball OVA's.)
The soundtrack was also something that stuck out in
my mind. Three volumes of Theme songs and BGM are still
available on CD as imports, and there is a Taiwanese
bootleg CD that is very popular, "Hokuto no Ken:
Original Songs" (The only polace to get 1ll 8 themes on
one disk, as well as 4 absolutely horrible image songs.
If you don't mind bootleg music compilations, and like
80's Rock, pick it up- just skip tracks 3, 4, 9, and
10... Trust me.) The TV show used 'Ai o Torimodose!!'
for it's opening a song that defines the series itself,
and 'Tough Boy', the rowdy opening song for Hokuto no
Ken 2 is a favorite of mine, but what made me love the
series as a hole, the moment I knew this was everything
I wanted in an anime, was in the movie, the insert song
my Kodomo Band- Hearrt of Madness. It's the kind of song
that only an 80's action film could pull off, and it was
as exciting as the battle it overlayed, and created a
beautiful mood for the film as a whole. (Thankfully, the
song was untouched, controraty to early rumored cuts
where Cark Macek had 'Dubbed' the song, changing the
whole thing into english... I'm glad they didn't!)
Sadly, the ending theme 'Purple Eyes' was not kept
without alteration... The song was turned into an
instrumental version, making it a far more depressing
sounding song than it really is- particularly if you can
understand the lyrics. (Purple eyes, you are... Purple
eyes ever more... Purple eyes have always, loooked upon
me with warmth... Sure, it's all figurative- but
beautiful none the less.)
Naturally, the TV show was only imported to season 1,
and the theme songs and eye catchers were cut... *Sigh*
Oddly enough the translations for the dub were almost
perfect- and THIS coming from a purist (!)- but most of
their 'Talent' severely lacked just that, and the
original score was replaced with British Techno. If you
enjoy dubs, you'lkl probably think it's just fine, but
if you're like me, learn from my mistake and get the
subtitled edition.
As of new the Anime Movie (Dubbed in English only) is
out of print, but VHS copies are still pretty common.
(Keep in mind, America has the 'Villian Wins' ending,
making an import worth tracking down even for
non-language purists, to see the 'Lost Ending'.) There
was a Dub Only DVD, but it's been out of print a LONG
time, and goes for about $90 on eBay. The manga was
translated up to book somewhere in 5 by VIZ, but all 27
books (now 15 economy reprints) are easy enough to find
through import dealers. Most of the Action Figures are
(or will be) in the states, and completely unchanged
from their Japanese counterparts. The only Hokuto no Ken
toys that were not imported were Raoh, Yuda, Rei White
Hair edition (199X), Rei White Hair edition (200X),
Kenshiro 2000 (Special edition toy with Poster), and the
deluxe 'Raoh and Koku-Oh- Go!' set (Raoh with his horse,
Koku-Oh.) All other toys are easy to find in the
original Kaiyodo packaging, for decent prices, at most
comic and anime shops.
Well, I hope this has shed some light on my favorite
anime/manga of all time, Hokuto no Ken. I've chosen NOT
to review the Live action movies, and I understand there
were two of them (I've heared of a Hong Kong film based
on the manga, but this is as rare and elusive as the TV
movie.), and I really don't have the energy to talk
about the Live Action Movie 'Fist of the North Star'...
I thought it was a fun movie, and it had a lot of
potential, (Most of it foolishly wasted...) and I really
Like Gary Daniels... But compare it to the anime movie,
and it's a piece of poop. Period.
Like I said... YOU ASKED FOR IT.
Kulilin
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posted 05-01-2001 05:46 PM
Nothing to do with
the video game? Wasn't there a dinosaur in the game...a
Raptor, I beleive...
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Holy **** Kulilin....
Is there a reason the board didn't collapse...
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posted 05-01-2001 06:52 PM
Thanks Kullin for the
HnK info. I ned to but the figs now. I had read up quite
a bit on HnK on various websites but none of them had
complete info. For one thing, what happens to Toki? Form
what I've read, he seems like a very cool character. I
know last I heard, he was dying, but not dead yet. And
that Ameoba fellow seemed rather neat too. Ken killed
him in a very interesting way IMO.
------------------ Consider it...a
lesson. -Legato Bluesummers, Trigun
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posted 05-01-2001 09:39 PM
Okay guys, I'll keep
this short. Well, short for me, anyway.
Toki is first introduced after Jyagi is defeated by
Ken, and talk of a mysterious healer begins, about a
place called 'Miracle Village'. Ken, and his traveling
partners (The arrogant but enjoyable Rei, and Julia's
dead ringer Mamiya) seek this man, as he was said to be
named Toki. ("Toki" usually means 'Time' in a vague
sense, so it would be like a character named 'Eon', in a
way.) When Ken finally arrives, Rei and Mamiya still
trying to catch up to Ken who stole away in the night
(Nothing new there...), he finds the village in
shambles, run by a midget who uses a staff and very
springy leg tendons (his name escapes me), and his large
assistant. Basically, they run a 'game' at teh local
cafe and bar (They're sort of teh same thing here),
where anyone who can defeat his man gets 7 days worth of
food. All you have to do is armwrestle the giant! What
he doesn't tell you is that you do it on a table with
two rotary saws, so the loser actually loses his whole
forearm. Ken is disgusted by this, and a friendly,
though large man takes up the challenge. Sadly, he
loses. (In the anime, hsi arm is scratched by the saw,
but Ken intervened before he's wounded permenantly.) Ken
offers to take on the giant, and (as usual) the 'Pretty
boy' is sassed to no end. Well, Ken beats him without
breaking a sweat- though he choses to BREAK the thug's
arm rather than saw it off. (Think 'Romeo must Die' or
'Riki-Oh: Story of Ricky' with the X-ray shots.) The
midget gets pretty mad, and starts hopping around like a
madman, with these fun little Wolverine claws... Ken
slaps him, freezes his muscles in a 'Sliding down the
pole' position, and basically has a midget on a stick
for the next episode or so... Yes, it's really silly,
but it almost makes sense if you see it. (In the manga,
he doesn't actually carry around the Midget on a Stick,
just lets him pop in the room... But it was so funny in
the anime I can't help but consider it 'real'.) So
Ken makes his way to see 'Toki', who is currently
performing experiments on people to learn new Tsubo.
He's learned new techniques with incredible results- but
most of them don't work right. When Ken actually
arrives, he is 'helping' a young boy, when he's actually
just using him as a guinea pig. His father offers
anything to save the child- even his own body... He dies
moments before Ken breaks down the door to Toki's
workshop. (In the manga, the boy dies. In the anime, Ken
pushes tsubo and heals him. Take is as you will.) It's
time for ken to kick butt and chew bubblegum... But ken
doesn't like bubblegum. After several pages of some
wonderful butt-kicking, Ken tears Toki's shirt, and
shows a gigantic scar on his back (Basically, his WHOLE
back), proving in Ken's mind that this really is Toki,
from when he took the hit of a falling tree to save
Ken's life as a boy. When asked why he's doing this,
Toki relates the story of his Christ like healings in
Miracle Son, and how the next day the whole place was
pilaged and burned. Toki went insane, and in one of my
favorite images from the manga ('Toki' Crying Blood),
Toki lashes out against Ken. What's this!? Something
crazy in the plot happens!? Oh, right- Rei and Mamiya
show up, and Rei reveals 'Toki' to be nothing more than
a pretender, a man who impersonates his enemies. Named
'Amoeba', he took Toki's form when he was shamed by
Toki. Amoeba had tried to heal a man in Miracle Village,
but botched it horribly. Toki fixed the problem, and
slapped Amoeba across the face. Ameoba was so insulted
that he had Toki captured by his master the Fist King
(Ken-Ou), and became Toki to soil his name. Amoeba
loses sight of Ken, and Ken tries to use "Hokuto Zankai
Ken" (North Dipper Lingering Regret Fist), but Ken's
fingers are blocked by the villian's hands... Ken's
fingers actualluy go THROUGH his hands... but Amoeba is
far from afraid, and strikes his 'New' tsubo. He bloats
up until he's of Incredible Hulk proportions, but
Kenshirou never moves... He knows his muscles can't take
the strain. Sure enough, Amoeba's hands explode, leaving
him with no defense whatsoever. Kenshirou strikes
tsubo to make his legs verk backwards, indefinately,
causing Ameoba to walk backwards, far past his great
windowsill. (It seems all these castles have great big
wondows- but if I were an evil warlord, I'd want a nice
view of my unhappy serfs too, I suppose.) With his last
step, he calls out "I have failed you my lord, the Fist
King!"
With those words, Ken and his allies seek this man,
and the prison he created, 'Cassandra, the City of
Wailing Demons'.
When the find Toki in tje bowels of the prison, he is
quite sick. He can still fight, and fight he will, but
he's not well enough to take on the Fist King. However,
he does defeat those nessicary, and Ken is taught the
essense of his new style- Hokuto Shinken, but modified
so that there is no pain. In fact, the deaths are
calming, even plasurable. It's hard to accept, but Toki
is an benevolent man, and does not want to hurt those
who would him- Toki is, honestly, VERY Christ like in
almost every way. (Yes, he even has the little beard...
But shouldn't Jesus look jewish, or is it just me?) This
is the only real refference to christianity, other than
Kaiou and (In the finale) Boruge using crucifixes and
inflicting wounds, much like what happened to Christ,
but almost all of th esymbolism is based on Chinese
beliefs.
Anywho, the battle with Raou and Ken is a big one...
Ken was struck by Raou's blows, and was saved only by
'interference'. Raou reveals to have been struck by a
crossbow bolt while performing th eattack, thuys
distracting him. (The bolt was shot by Rei, who had
recently been defeated by Raou, but will not die for
another 3 days... 'To Spread the fear of Me, Ken-Ou, to
those fool enough to challenge me.' Well, same idea
anyway.) Ken tries to walk, and manages to half fix the
problem, until he's struck again and paralized
completely- by Toki! Toki and Raou fight, and the
Fist King soon sees that he simply cannot win! He and
every other fighter had clashed, fist to fist, trading
blows at every oppurtunity. Toki, on the other hand,
moves WITH Raou, pushing his blows away and only
sneaking in a blow of his own when it's convienant. Raou
figures out that if Toki can't move, he can't win, and
so, with a trident from his Horse's saddle, puts his
foot on Toki's and impales their feet to the ground.
Raou beats on Toki until he is satisfied, and Raou is
about to strike a final blow- when Mamiya raises her
crossbow. She fires... And the bolt is caught by
Kenshirou's body, the paralyses worn off. Remember what
I said about Ken not liking bubble gum? The two end
in a draw, and this where the Movie officially ends
(Minus Mamiya and Toki). Toki and Raou fight again,
under the watchful eye of Hokuto itself, and Raou is
proven to be the better fighter, but when Toki accepts
his fate to die, (He has to... He has seen the 8th star
of Hokuto, the Death Star, and any who see it are fated
to die in one year...) Raou, with tears in his eyes,
simply cannot strike the fatal blow. 'I love my brother
too much' he says, and goes off on his last crusade- to
destroy the final 3 threats to hsi very existance... The
man named Ryouga, the master troupe of Nanto Seiken, and
a mysterious man named the Eye of Julia.
Toki comes to teh land owned by Ryouga, master of a
style that is neither Hokuto or Nanto. ('Tenryu Ken' is
a neutral art that is used to 'Scoop' flesh out of your
opponent, as if they were made of ice cream and you hand
is a warp scoop... It's pretty vile to look at,
actually.) Ken-ou had once fought beside him, but Ryouga
found Ken-Ou's insanity too much to deal with, and so he
resides in hsi own kingdom. Toki decides to rest there,
as Ken-Ou is likely to come, and he knows that Raou must
be stopped. Ryouga hears of a Hokuto master in his
kingdom, and gets moire that just a little paranoid.
After slaughtering villagers for trying to keep it a
secret (I think... I can't quite read this part, and I
don't have it translated yet) he takes on Toki, and
gores him up pretty well. Ken hears of Toki's folly, and
comes to help his brother. (Keep in mind that Ken,
Jyagi, Raou and Toki were all adopted... If we ever get
to birth brothers, MUCH later, I'll call them 'Blodd
Brothers'.) Ken fights Ryouga and manages to mortally
wound him, and to everyone's surprise, Toki is still
alive. Toki presses tsubo on Ryouga so that he may die
in peace, and tells Kenshirou that if he cannot defeat
Ryouga, he hasn't a chance against Raou anymore. He
instructs Ken to burn Ryouga's palace, the pyre of a
madman (Am I the only one who starts thinking 'Return of
the King' on that one?), and not to wait for
him. Kenshirou honor's his brothers wish, and for the
first time since I can remember in teh series, a main
character dies without a drop of blood. While Ryouga is
dying, he reveals that he intended to kill Ken-ou, as
he's approaching the Eye of Julia, a man no one could
even guess existed, let alone who was under the mask. He
knows that the 6 masters of Nanto, including Fudou and
the well renownded soldier Rihaku, will do everything in
their power to keep this final master safe. Kenshirou
turns away from the palace, knowing that it has come to
only him, and Raou...
And so the stage is set for the greatest of all
Hokuto no Ken saga's, the Finale of the original TV
show, too. The finale takes up the better part of 4
books, and took even me by surprise. The anime gives
itself problems, (Particularly when we HEAR the Eye of
Julia... It's a pretty good giveaway to her identity,
while in the manga we could only guess what his voice
sounded like) but all in all, this is the greastest saga
in the manga, along with the Kiba Ichi Zoku saga, and
the finale. (I hope to translate the last 8 chapters...
The tragic, bittersweet ending SHOULD be known to
english speaking fans.)I've heared that this saga was
chock full of filler as well, but I've heared it's
actually WATCHABLE filler... Well, they couldn't have
done any worse than the first season, that's for sure.
Well, this is a brief history of Toki, and I only
bring it up because he's never, EVER been seen in an
english translation. At all. Period. Mamiya was in the
english manga, so I don't think anyone's deprived of her
if they want her- they're just chepa and/or broke.
Well, I hope this helps some!
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posted 05-02-2001 01:41 PM
Gosh, THAT was short?
I can't even read those posts...they're so crammed with
sooooo much! Wow.
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